Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by BlastBurnEX » Sun May 01, 2011 11:45 am

MysticGospel wrote:

BlastBurnEX wrote:

MysticGospel wrote:I honestly don't seee the point in detauling every transformation. For ones like Frieza's, Cooler's and Super Buu's, they were onme-time only things so the only time those transformations were shown was the first time which is usually if not always more detailed. After the first time, Goku and Co. could turn SSJ instantly, so I don't see the need for the first time animation which was done for dramatic effect to be done for the SSJ transformations in the games.

They only had dramatic transformations the first time done too though, after that they were quick-transformations as we have in the game already, I dont see why they shouldn't get it correct for the saiyans if it was already done for other first-time transformations.

Because it's not needed. I just said that for the ones like Frieza's and Cooler's, they did it only once, and for the others, it's pretty much implied that the characters have mastered their transformations since basically every form is in there. Not to mention it would be a ton of work.

Too much work? no, was it too much work to make the father-son kamehameha even better then it was in the last game? was it too much work to have Goes SSj transformation right in a cutscene but even harder to do in actual game animation?

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by MysticGospel » Sun May 01, 2011 12:10 pm

So doing a couple of nice looking things is the same as making about 20 transformations cutscene worthy? Not to mention that using Goku's first SSJ transformation as a cutscene would look a bit awkward.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by BlastBurnEX » Sun May 01, 2011 1:06 pm

MysticGospel wrote:So doing a couple of nice looking things is the same as making about 20 transformations cutscene worthy? Not to mention that using Goku's first SSJ transformation as a cutscene would look a bit awkward.

What scale does the attention sway for them to choice one thing over another? The only really dramatic transformations for SSj was Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Teen Gohan, Gohan, and Broly, if they took the time to position them in the way they were in the show then there's no reason to actually do it the way it was in the show. Must I reference NS2 again?

And what I said about Goku was the fact they did it right in the cutscene for freeza, so why can't THAT be the way it's done ingame? the position he's in when hunched over doesn't look like how he did it anytime in the anime. Instead of that cutscene, they should have just made THAT the transformation and have the fight continue from there like BT3. I mean, all they need to do is to remove the yellow background, make the sky darken there instead of for raging soul, have the lightning strike behind him strike, then change as done in the scene they already made...and thats the transformation.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by MysticGospel » Sun May 01, 2011 1:45 pm

BlastBurnEX wrote:What scale does the attention sway for them to choice one thing over another? The only really dramatic transformations for SSj was Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Teen Gohan, Gohan, and Broly, if they took the time to position them in the way they were in the show then there's no reason to actually do it the way it was in the show. Must I reference NS2 again?

What part of "it's not necessary" are you not getting? Besides the first time, they were able to instantly transform. Not to mention, giving the characters a couple of animations is different from what you're suggesting. Also, UNS2 was all story and presentation, it's lacking in everything else so using that as an example doesn't show much.

And what I said about Goku was the fact they did it right in the cutscene for freeza, so why can't THAT be the way it's done ingame? the position he's in when hunched over doesn't look like how he did it anytime in the anime. Instead of that cutscene, they should have just made THAT the transformation and have the fight continue from there like BT3. I mean, all they need to do is to remove the yellow background, make the sky darken there instead of for raging soul, have the lightning strike behind him strike, then change as done in the scene they already made...and thats the transformation.

So basically, you're telling me that end of Z Goku who has SSJ2 and SSJ3 is still going to transform like he did against Frieza? Did it ever dawn on you that he only transformed like that against Frieza for dramatic effect due to it being the very first SSJ transformation in the series, and him doing it after seeing his best friend die? When has he ever turned SSJ in that way afterwards? The only way using that cutscene would make a bit more sense is if there were 3 different verions of Z Goku like in BT3, and it was used for Mid Goku.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by BlastBurnEX » Sun May 01, 2011 2:06 pm

"So basically, you're telling me that end of Z Goku who has SSJ2 and SSJ3 is still going to transform like he did against Frieza?"

No, my statement obviously wasn't clear enough, so it gives you freedom to assume. Did I say they ALL have to be like the freeza one? No. I was saying specifically saying his ssj transformation should be that way, not SSj2 or 3. I said his transformations need to be the way they were done in the show/in other words his SSj2 transformation done the way it was against Vegeta, and his third form against janemba. If it was needed to accurately potray the forms for the villains then its justified for the heroes.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by MysticGospel » Sun May 01, 2011 2:49 pm

BlastBurnEX wrote:"So basically, you're telling me that end of Z Goku who has SSJ2 and SSJ3 is still going to transform like he did against Frieza?"

No, my statement obviously wasn't clear enough, so it gives you freedom to assume. Did I say they ALL have to be like the freeza one?

No, you said that Goku's should be like that which was what I said in the post that you just quoted.

No, I was saying specifically saying his ssj transformation should be that way, not SSj2 or 3

When did I ever say that you said that all SSJ transformations should be like Goku's first? I was only specifically talking about Goku's SSJ transformation.

I said his transformations need to be the way they were done in the show/in other words his SSj2 transformation done the way it was against Vegeta, and his third form against janemba. If it was needed to accurately potray the forms for the villains then its justified for the heroes.

Are you even listening to what I'm saying? What part of "besides the first time, they transformed instantly" are you not getting?

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by BlastBurnEX » Sun May 01, 2011 4:07 pm

MysticGospel wrote:

BlastBurnEX wrote:"So basically, you're telling me that end of Z Goku who has SSJ2 and SSJ3 is still going to transform like he did against Frieza?"

No, my statement obviously wasn't clear enough, so it gives you freedom to assume. Did I say they ALL have to be like the freeza one?

No, you said that Goku's should be like that which was what I said in the post that you just quoted.

No, I was saying specifically saying his ssj transformation should be that way, not SSj2 or 3

When did I ever say that you said that all SSJ transformations should be like Goku's first? I was only specifically talking about Goku's SSJ transformation.

I said his transformations need to be the way they were done in the show/in other words his SSj2 transformation done the way it was against Vegeta, and his third form against janemba. If it was needed to accurately potray the forms for the villains then its justified for the heroes.

Are you even listening to what I'm saying? What part of "besides the first time, they transformed instantly" are you not getting?

The cutscene transformations obviously represent the first time they did it >_> like Teen Gohan bending backwards for SSj2. I don't see why you haven't realized that by now.

Also I never said from the part from Goku pulsing about killing freeza, I meant the moment after.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsceH99CXJs (0: 58 to 1:01 skipping the talk in between) Even if the transformations represented general changes to the form that doesn't explain Goku's position doing it currently.
If the change has to be the "mastered" version then the way it was done against 19 would be the best move.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by MysticGospel » Sun May 01, 2011 4:44 pm

BlastBurnEX wrote:The cutscene transformations obviously represent the first time they did it >_> like Teen Gohan bending backwards for SSj2. I don't see why you haven't realized that by now.

You mean basically the only time he turned SSJ2 because he could only turn SSJ2 by getting angry?

Also I never said from the part from Goku pulsing about killing freeza, I meant the moment after.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsceH99CXJs (0: 58 to 1:01 skipping the talk in between) Even if the transformations represented general changes to the form that doesn't explain Goku's position doing it currently.

I know, that version still won't work.

If the change has to be the "mastered" version then the way it was done against 19 would be the best move.

For what you're looking for, yeah.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by BlastBurnEX » Sun May 01, 2011 5:55 pm

MysticGospel wrote:

BlastBurnEX wrote:The cutscene transformations obviously represent the first time they did it >_> like Teen Gohan bending backwards for SSj2. I don't see why you haven't realized that by now.

You mean basically the only time he turned SSJ2 because he could only turn SSJ2 by getting angry?

Also I never said from the part from Goku pulsing about killing freeza, I meant the moment after.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsceH99CXJs (0: 58 to 1:01 skipping the talk in between) Even if the transformations represented general changes to the form that doesn't explain Goku's position doing it currently.

I know, that version still won't work.

If the change has to be the "mastered" version then the way it was done against 19 would be the best move.

For what you're looking for, yeah.

He wasn't too angst with Bojack untill AFTER he was in that form. So no, not the only time.
Gohan's first Adult SSj2 transformation was at the tournament and he was plenty tense.
Explain how Goku's first transformation won't work. Broly turned into a LSSJ twice but huis first time was represented in the scene, its also why Goku' puffs out his chest at the end of the SSj2 change... thats how he was the FIRST time he shown it. The changes were to represent the first time done, if they weren't they'd all be quick changes like Budokai 3/Burst Limit.

Re: Dragon Ball Raging Blast series ideas

 by MysticGospel » Sun May 01, 2011 6:46 pm

BlastBurnEX wrote:He wasn't too angst with Bojack untill AFTER he was in that form. So no, not the only time.

Bojack Unbound's not canon which is part of the reason I said that. Also Gohan did turn SSJ2 by getting angry in the movie.

Gohan's first Adult SSj2 transformation was at the tournament and he was plenty tense.

I have no idea why you mentioned that when we're clearly talking about "teen" Gohan.

Explain how Goku's first transformation won't work.

Because it's a form obtained through his anger, from the death of his friend. Later when he masters it, he doesn't need to rely on anger to trigger it.

Broly turned into a LSSJ twice but huis first time was represented in the scene, its also why Goku' puffs out his chest at the end of the SSj2 change... thats how he was the FIRST time he shown it.

Yeah, uh Broly only transformed twice, so why not use the more dramatic looking one? LSSJ is in a similar league to Frieza and Cooler's. I'm talking about forms like SSJ in which the characters transformed into them tons of times. And what's the point of binging up the end cutscne of Goku's SSJ2 transformation cutscene?

The changes were to represent the first time done, if they weren't they'd all be quick changes like Budokai 3/Burst Limit.

Or they could just be there to personalize the transformations.